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  • valkyrie-duelist:

    valkyrie-duelist:

    kaiowut99:

    Need me some meta analysis of Misawa’s character progression from “You might make a nice rival, #1-kun” to “what’s wrong with wanting your skills to be recognized?” that doesn’t boil down to “they didn’t know what to do with him or his cards so they made him a joke lol”

    Tbh I think him getting a little too comfortable in his spot as #1 Ra Yellow played a part in it, he went from “I’ll only move up to blue when I’m good enough” to “I can become blue whenever I want to so I’m taking things easy for now” he didn’t really start trying until Edo badmouthing him made him realize he wasn’t being seen as one of the best duelists like he thought+not being recruited by the Society of Light, because he could’ve built the deck that was about to beat Manjoume at any point if he put his mind to it, but he just didn’t until he felt that who he was was no longer enough, but by that point his mind had gotten so fragile that he self destructed, plus after that he didn’t focus on the opponents that would actually get him attention but it seems he was just facing anyone to get that dose of “yeah, I’m super cool and smart and awesome”, and before he could really course correct he changed careers to help the doctor with his reserach.

    tl;dr mix of him not trying hard enough when it really mattered and his fragile mind making him self sabotage like Edo said.

    Not entirely related but I think he should’ve started dueling more people out of spite “oh, you think I’m not the best? ok, prove it, losers” then beating those 3 guys and feeling better and realizing there was probably something else going on, but at that point I’m just writing fanfiction in my head.

    • 10 months ago
    • 77 notes
    • #also great thoughts!
    • #'facing anyone to get that dose of 'yeah i'm cool and awesome'
    • #'so i'm gonna go challenge Saiou the leader of this cult and nothing could go wrong'
    • #lol
    • #both Ed and Saiou read him well
    • #GX
    • #Daichi Misawa
    • #meta
  • silvormoon:

    kaiowut99:

    Need me some meta analysis of Misawa’s character progression from “You might make a nice rival, #1-kun” to “what’s wrong with wanting your skills to be recognized?” that doesn’t boil down to “they didn’t know what to do with him or his cards so they made him a joke lol”

    I’m doing this off the top of my head, and mostly from some rather old and sketchy memories, so please forgive me if I’m a little disorganized or not 100% accurate. Still, I’ll give it my best shot!

    Misawa is basically that kid who was probably at the top of his class back at his old middle school. He was the gifted kid everything came easily to, and he expected that this state of affairs would continue when he got to Academy Island. He thought he was going to walk in and do his thing, everyone would be very impressed with him, and he wouldn’t really have to do anything much or exert himself particularly. Only it didn’t happen that way, because Duel Academia is where the kids who are gifted in dueling go, and half the people he comes into contact with are also really, really good at stuff. Suddenly he’s not having it all his own way anymore. He’s having to compete for attention with genuine showstoppers like Juudai and Manjoume, who aren’t just good but also personable and exciting. Even on those occasions when Misawa wins, he just isn’t as interesting as these other guys, and the more time passes, the more he finds himself overshadowed.

    Of particular note is his interaction with Taniya, which I think a lot of people get wrong. It’s so easy to read Misawa’s character as “he cares too much about science and logic, and he needs to be more in touch with his emotions!” Being too logical is never Misawa’s problem. His problem is that he wants to be logical and his emotions overrule him. That’s why he loses and continues to lose to Taniya. She’s a very passionate person, but she can also be calm and logical when the situation calls for it, and when they first meet, Misawa hasn’t got that kind of balance. The minute she starts appealing to his heart instead of his head, he comes unglued.

    So the season two and the Society of Light comes along, and his life is starting to unravel, because here is where his personality flaws are really starting to bite him. Right from the start, we’ve seen that he’s a guy who thinks he has it all and doesn’t need to change. The first time he meets Juudai, they banter over which of them is going to be number one in the school, with the strong implication that Misawa thinks it’s going to be him. When everyone goes rushing off to look at the shipment of rare cards (the one Chronos takes for Manjoume, as it turns out), Misawa says he doesn’t need to worry about them because his decks are already perfect. Even when he loses the key he’s supposed to be protecting, he comes off as more concerned about what went down between him and Taniya than the fate of the universe.

    We tend to treat him as a part of the friend group, but we rarely see him hanging out with the others as friends. When he hangs out with the group, it’s because he wants something from them, whether it’s getting them to help him repaint his room when he expects to be promoted, or whether he’s just enjoying lording over them to “train” them during the Seven Stars arc. He doesn’t hang out with them just for the fun of it.

    And the other characters notice this. I really think the whole reason Sho starts in on the whole “Oh, are you here?” routine is because basically, Misawa doesn’t make an effort to hang out with the gang most of the time. It’s less of a “you are unimportant to us” thing and more a “look who decided to grace us with his presence!” thing. He took it for granted that his friends would be there when he wanted them, so he didn’t make much of an effort to keep in touch with them, and then when he did finally realize he wanted them around, the damage was already done.

    And then the Society of Light swoops in. Saiou played Misawa better than he played that piano of his. He saw how much Misawa cared about his reputation, he saw how he was starting to realize that he was being overshadowed by the flashier and more charismatic duelists, and he realized that there was no reason he needed to try to recruit Misawa when it was clear Misawa would come to him given enough time. Misawa wanted a fast track to being admired without having to put in the actual effort, and Saiou promised him exactly that. (Pay close attention to Misawa’s vision just before he throws the duel with Manjoume, and you’ll see that his imagination is populating the Society with swarms of cute girls ready to welcome him into the fold - those pesky emotions overruling logic again!) So he joins the Society.

    And doesn’t enjoy it because it still doesn’t get him what he wants. Finally, Zweinstein shows up, and his duel with Juudai makes Misawa finally confront the idea that he needs to work on himself. So he goes off on a journey to find himself and drops out of the plot for a bit, which is unfortunate for his characterization but it’s what we’ve got.

    But when he comes back, there are subtle signs that he’s a changed man. The first thing he says when he sees the transported Academy is not “come and save me” but “don’t come here, it’s dangerous!” Later, we see him making every effort to save the others and get them home safely, without showing any signs of wanting to be hailed as a hero for it. When Juudai sets out to rescue Johan, Misawa comes along even though he believes the chances of surviving are infinitesimally small, because that’s his friend and he needs to help him. They’re little things, mostly, but they demonstrate that he’s finally stopped letting his ego rule his actions and started caring more about other people.

    And so he gets his reward. He’s one of the few people to survive the Dark World arc without anything tragic happening to him, he re-unites with the woman he loves and helps her save her people, and presumably he gets to live happily ever after, which is better than some of the cast gets.

    You might treat him as a foil for Marufuji Ryo, who also suffered from “gifted kid” syndrome. Both of them had a meltdown when they finally ran up against people who were better than they were and broke their illusions of themselves as “perfect”. Their main difference is that Misawa went looking outside himself for reassurance and got sucked into the Society of Light, whereas Ryo turned inwards, rejecting everyone around him and devoting himself solely to building himself up.

    So anyway, that’s my analysis of Misawa. I know it’s not the mainstream opinion, but I hope it at least gives you a starting point for further consideration.

    …Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed it! 

    I’ve picked up on a lot of this as I’ve re-gone through episodes, especially his tendency to focus on logic over his emotions (which you addressed very well, and which definitely comes into play with Tanya), but you put it all together really well. :) 

    Definitely onto something with his concern over his reputation (which gets highlighted in 82 as Manjoume and all the converted White students laugh at him calling himself Ra’s “top student,” with a classmate even saying, “you’re hyping yourself up!”) And yeah, that part about his not really hanging out with the group as a friend I think has some merit to it.  Even in 82, he really only ends up with the group initially because of his inner turmoil about the Society of Light and whether the group feels anxious over potentially joining them with half the school converted (to which Judai basically says “we always have and always will be Reds”).  I do think he does hang out decently with the others (their getting together to watch Ryou duel Ed, for example), but I think there’s something there, and with putting the “Oh, you’re here” thing in the lens of his usually wanting something out of the interaction which does feel accurate, so I think you’re right in how after his time with Zweinstein later, his mindset has shifted and he’s selflessly trying to help them get back home–it does feel different from the slightly smug, “my deck’s perfect,” Misawa we have initially.  When that “Eureka!” hit, it definitely really hit.

    And I suppose it does speak to our human need for validation, too, in the way he looks outside himself to Saiou and the SoL for it only to learn the lesson that it comes from within.  I think it’s realistic that he’d go off for a while and do the work to improve himself, and he does ultimately come back stronger for it.  Also like the nod to the other extreme that happened with Ryou and his closing himself off to focus only on winning, respecting opponents be damned.

    • 10 months ago
    • 77 notes
    • #GX
    • #meta
    • #Daichi Misawa
    • #thank you for that! :)
    • #this is the kind of Misawa talk i'd love hearing about in a video essay lol
    • #while it's not as overt as Judai's character arc could be considered
    • #i've always felt there were bits and pieces coming together to explain what happens to Misawa
    • #again beyond the idea that they make him a joke
  • Konami didnt cut ties with Gallop. Konami cut ties with NAS, who hires Gallop as independent contractors. Around last year I believe NAS and its parent company was going through some restructuring, which could explain some things. (1)

    Anonymous

    authoratmidnight:

    Also, DSOD wasnt the one that affected ArcV. DSOD called back veteran animators who no longer work at Gallop as one last hurrah, and the Gallop ones returned by midway ArcV. What mainly caused the mess was ArcV’s writer Kamishiro not having a consistent script or plan. Apparently animators werent getting info on time, didnt know what to draw and were forced to make up details on the fly. (2)

    This also delayed them from working on Vrains (the next series usually gets worked on one year prior), hence why at Jump Festa 2016, only an image of Yusaku was shown and vague plot details  that dont match up to what we eventually got (rmb when ppl though Yusaku would be shy?). Compare that with Zexal, ArcV and Sevens that all got actual video trailers, something was clearly off behind the scenes. (3)

    By the end of ArcV a bunch of outsource animation teams quit (and some in-house as well, like Ebina, which was a serious loss cuz iirc he’s been directly trained at Gallop for a while), which left Gallop running on fumes and they had to bring in a different director for Vrains’ first 13 eps (apparently he’s known for managing serious crunch productions), and also why in S1 there’s so much repeated animation, recap episodes, and a minimal cast. (4)

    Vrains never truly recovered even during S2 and S3, which probably led to it ending early, along with NAS’ restructuring. Plus Konami seems to have wanted a fresh start for Sevens/Rush Duels, which could also explain why there’s no Vrains manga.  Last I heard Gallop helped out on Digimon after that, so thankfully they werent shut down, though its unknown if they’ll ever come back as the main studio. (5)

    As further proof that DSOD is not what derailed ArcV and subsequently Vrains, a TV anime & movie at the same time already happened with 5D’s and BBT. There’s a mild stumble in 5D’s animation but that was it. The next show Zexal turned out fine and in fact is the one with the least issues. ArcV’s issues are its own, where the head writer couldnt agree on a direction, got too ambitious, didnt plan ahead, caused extreme crunch that it burnt away a lot of goodwill and animators fled after that (6)

    Huh ok, I didn’t realize it was NAS. Everything I heard was that it was Gallop. Either way tho they stopped working with Gallop in the end.

    I swear i remember hearing somewhere that DSOD did take some of the resources that Arc V was using (idk if it was animators or what) so Arc V ended up working with less. At the very least the creation of DSOD seemed to coincide with Arc V beginning to struggle.

    I DID know about the animators not getting shit on time cause I remember seeing a tweet about that. I think it was why Zarc/Zarc’s monsters where, like that. They’re wizards for managing to actually give us stuff tho.

    I wonder if that’s why Dragon!Zarc was just, never consistent in what he looked like. No model prepped to work from.

    I have to admit, I have no idea what reveals were like for Zexal or Arc V cause I jumped in part way through A5 so VRAINS was my intro to that, but I do remember getting a short clip for Sevens. And yeah, the whole ‘taking a step forward’ and ‘being new to dueling’ aspects just, don’t exist (unless it’s everyone else’s perspective on Yusaku lol). I always did wonder what happened with that.

    The poor first director. I knew about VRAINS have two different directors and why all the recaps in s1 (and the poor guy constantly apologizing) and how director one got replaced.

    Poor VRAINS had so many behind the scenes production issues. Sad. So much wasted potential.

    I have no idea if Gallop helped out on Digimon but I did hear that Noh Gil-bo did some work on it. And I think some of the animators went to work on Shadowverse (which is why some ppl said it felt more ‘yugioh’ than Sevens, which is a lie cause Sevens still feels very ygo to me). I hope the other animators found good work.

    • 2 years ago
    • 18 notes
    • #ygo
    • #meta
    • #neat info!
    • #didn't know about the NAS restructuring being why Gallop isn't on Sevens
    • #Gallop has been doing some solid work on Digimon Adventure: in spots lately
    • #the Greymon and Garurumon evos def seem to be like Hara or Gil-bo in a way lol
    • #BBT being worked on during 5D's affected animation a bit and led to some fillers and Crash Town
    • #[so hard to hate it]
    • #but DSOD being worked on by coincidence during Synchro did kinda cause that connection to the perceived dip in quality iirc
    • #it was Hosoda of Our War Game on early VRAINS too
    • #dude made it work recaps aside
  • zeravmeta:

    genuinely what pushes yuya from a really good protag into “oh my fucking god” levels of good for me is the reveal that while he’s the personification of zarcs pure wish to make others happy he’s not perfect yuya has had so many instances in arc v where he gave into anger, where he wasn’t always happy, where he retreated into himself and refused to accept help from his friends but what ultimately separated him from zarc is that he still never gave up on this ideal and instead managed to grow it past what even zarc once wanted. he was zarcs second chance but he was also JUST as prone into falling into the same pitfalls that zarc fell into: he stumbled, hurt people by mistake and intentionally, got frustrated and impatient, acted rashly, but was still able to hold onto his wish and didn’t let anyone else twist it in the end like it was twisted for zarc. the only instance where yuya actively gives up on his wish was when he first dueled barret and chose yuzu over his wish and he literally tortures himself with it for the rest of the synchro arc bc while it was something he believed in whole heartedly he was also just borrowing it from his dad bc it was the only memento he had of him for years and it was only jack telling him that he doesn’t have to abandon that wish but rather speak it and believe it in HIS OWN WORDS where yuya managed to begin growing out of his role as merely an alter ego. even then, he still wasn’t perfect nor all were all of his traumas and problems resolved, and when shit hit the fan and when the literal fate of the universe hinged on him defeating yuri while all his friends were screaming at him that he HAD to win was only when he fully became zarc once more because he was pushed to his limit the same way zarc was. AND DESPITE ALL THAT, it was when his friends put themselves through the same hell he was put through, when they suffered a gauntlet of defeats at his hand after having relied on him so heavily to absolutely win was when their words, HIS words actually managed to reawaken that wish from zarc. zarc was SCARED when told that he still held onto his original wish, but yuya took that step with courage despite the fear aaaaauuuuaaaghahhh watch arc v

    (via blueeyeswhitegarden)

    • 2 years ago
    • 109 notes
    • #arcv
    • #Yuya Sakaki
    • #meta
    • #bless this is well said
  • The Pendulum Guiding Towards Uniqueness

    chromsai:

    Oh man. I haven’t done this in a while but…

    Let’s talk about something real quick:

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    Let’s talk about what an important and wholesome message this is.

    I know the fandom loves to give Yusho a lot of crap, especially with how he acts during the last arc of the show, among a few other things, but let’s just appreciate that even if Yusho isn’t the best father in Yugioh history, he’s still a good dad overall.

    Good especially for Yuya.

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    Keep reading

    • 3 years ago
    • 174 notes
    • #THANK
    • #very good post
    • #preserve your uniqueness
    • #arcv
    • #Yuya Sakaki
    • #Yusho Sakaki
    • #meta
  • Arc-V and “production issues”

    heartarcv:

    Okay, you all made me get out of my rocking chair for this.

    It’s been over two and a half years since Arc-V ended and we all processed our feelings about it, but a week or two ago there was another blow-up in the Yugioh fandom over the production struggles during the Arc-V era and their correlation to the quality of the series toward the end. I’d like to address these claims.

    First of all, it is extremely common for anime production deadlines to get delayed and for the ending episodes to be produced in less and less time. Any article about the anime production process, as well as KyoAni’s series “SHIROBAKO” itself, show this to be par for the course in the anime industry. Any given anime series, Yugioh or otherwise, likely has gone through some of these typical production struggles at some point or other; including the changing of core staff such as animation directors and episode directors bowing out of the production to work on other properties. None of these things should be cited as evidence of a huge production upheaval.

    Secondly, I have seen several of these “poor production” claims of Arc-V reference a couple of tweets made by an animator close to the end of 2016, in which they complain that their model sheets (from which they reference character designs) not being delivered on time and thus delaying their ability to get their work done. These are not valid sources of proof that Arc-V was in a downward spiral with its production quality either, and here is why:

    1) It’s an open secret that animators in Japan are paid very little, so most key animators need to take on projects from multiple properties at a time in order to make enough money. Many key animators are freelancers, meaning they aren’t employed solely by one studio and only work on those projects but rather are contracted by any studio that calls upon them; therefore these tweets could have been in reference to anything, not necessarily Arc-V. So this is not concrete proof that Arc-V was suffering from production disarray, and as I mentioned before, this kind of delay is extremely common anyway.

    2) Even if these tweets *were* referring to Yugioh, the timing (the comment in the tweet stating that this animator’s deadline was the end of 2016) would suggest that it was either one of the very last 6 or so Arc-V episodes in the series, or that it was a cut for VRAINS. This animator’s complaint was that their model sheets had not been delivered, but there were no brand new characters introduced in the last 8 episodes of Arc-V. If these model sheets were for an Arc-V cut, they would have to be monsters—meaning the bottleneck probably came down from Konami and the OCG, not from Studio Gallop or the writing team. But, as we know, the debut of Yugioh VRAINS was delayed four weeks and filled in with Yugioh LABO (which was pretty much just a talk show that hyped up the first looks at VRAINS and introduced the cast and setting); so these tweets could just as easily, if not much more easily, have been animation cuts for VRAINS.

    Also, claims that Ebina Hidekazu, one of Studio Gallop’s in-house animation directors since Yugioh ZEXAL, left the franchise after his work on Arc-V episode 135 because he “hated the series so much,” is simply grotesque speculation and has no validity whatsoever. High-quality animation directors will find new opportunities with higher pay, and there is no reason to believe Ebina left Yugioh because he hated his job.

    Lastly, it must be mentioned that the single most impactful factor to the success of a Yugioh series in the eyes of Konami, who finances the series, is the return from card sales. Regardless of the story movement, if the cards are selling well the show will be considered a success. Online polls and blog reviews are of very little significance to Konami’s marketing priorities, but if the series is selling cards, it’s doing its job.

    Misinformation travels quickly, especially when it is fueled by a fandom’s frustration with the result of a series and bias toward bad press. Nonetheless, it is ignorant, disrespectful, and selfish to project your own distaste on the cast and crew and the people who worked hard on the series. 

    If you were unhappy with Arc-V, you’re free to feel that way. But take this advice: don’t go digging into the production history for “proof” that your opinion is “right.” Just own your opinion for what it is, leave the fans whose opinions differ alone, and focus that energy on something you do enjoy.


    written by and given permission to be shared by Bekalou

    (via blueeyeswhitegarden)

    • 3 years ago
    • 62 notes
    • #thank
    • #arcv
    • #meta
    • #i admit i probably fell into the boat of thinking those tweets were for arcv
    • #but after my initial sour aftertaste from the finale
    • #i moved on
    • #and accept arcv for what it is flaws and all
  • On the Essence of Recovery: The Necessity of Arc V’s Unsatisfactory Ending

    homura-bakura:

    So, lately, I’ve been rewatching Penguindrum.  I’ve also been reading a lot of analyses of Penguindrum, and in turn I’ve been looking up analyses of some of my other favorite surrealist anime, mostly Ikuhara’s work.  And remembering how Penguindrum ended, I found myself thinking about how almost all of Ikuhara’s main works end sort of…bittersweet.  Progress has been made, but something huge has been lost as well, leaving the end feeling almost unsatisfactory.

    And that’s gotten me to thinking about analyzing shows that have similar endings, that aren’t necessarily made to be…well, as dense as that particular brand of anime.  Specifically, I’ve been thinking about Arc V, and again about the ending that left a lot of people upset.  I was and still am to a point one of those people who was disappointed with how it ended, but looking back at it in hindsight, and especially through the lens of the previously mentioned anime, I wondered if maybe there was something more to the decision than first appeared.

    Now before I start the actual meat of this post, let me disclaim that I would be among the first to admit that it’s probably “not that deep.” But there’s the distinct possibility that it is, and regardless of whether my conclusions were intended conclusions, the act of analyzing fiction against one’s own individual interpretation is an important final step in the process of any creative endeavor.

    Keep reading

    • 5 years ago
    • 122 notes
    • #arcv
    • #meta
    • #long post
    • #this
    • #this actually makes a lot of sense
    • #accepting everything that happened to him and then zarc
    • #and them moving on together
    • #as Yuzu does with Ray
    • #'take a step forward with courage' indeed
    • #great analysis
  • On the Many Sacrifices Made in GX Season 3

    iamcelestos:

    I probably talked about this ages before, but I’m not sure if I did so hey let’s talk about it again, this time with screencaps (thanks @alicethedragonvalkyrie, and I think those are @kaiowut99​‘s subs). I thought about the Dark World arc and specifically, the creation of Super Polymerization (Super Fusion). The way in which it was created made me think, and I’ve come to some… interesting conclusions.

    This relates to episodes 134 onwards.

    The five Wicked Doctrines/Runes/curse marks were implanted onto Judai’s friends, each representing one of five negative emotions: anger, sadness, anguish, hatred and doubt. These, as are sacrifices in general, are said to be critical to activate Super Poly:

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    Most important here is the fact that there are FIVE of these runes, and all five appear to be needed for Super Poly’s activation.

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    Now, clearly, issues arise with the gathering. The five runes all attach to different hosts, but the absence of one causes problems. Manjoume, Asuka, Fubuki and Kenzan are captured by Brron’s men, but Shou (the fifth) is missing.

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    During his duel with Judai, Brron then attempts to use Super Poly, despite having a missing component:

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    Of course, as we know, Brron does not succeed in using it, and even as Judai gains it post-duel, it does not seem to be complete. Haou/the Supreme King, within Judai, is aware of the card being incomplete:

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    Considering there was such emphasis on the 5 runes and their hosts being sacrificed, why is it that suddenly, the focus has switched to sacrificing anyone that dares to oppose Haou?

    There were five components to activate Super Poly: the five hosts of the five runes. Five ‘special’ souls. One is missing, so… perhaps, it looks like the countless ‘ordinary’ souls of those in Dark World appear to be the replacements for that one ‘special’, marked one.

    Shou, interestingly, never seems to be aware of this, and he never notices his own mark. This is in line with the other four who were sacrificed - none of them seemed to notice that they had been marked, and did not pick up on the emotions the runes were drawing out of them and emphasising. Instead, Shou does what he feels he can do: run, survive, and gradually come to accept his role as an observer in the game of life (I may discuss this in another meta post - Shou’s behaviour in later S3 is so so fascinating).

    Either way - five special souls, or four special ones plus as many mundane souls as is needed to replace the fifth. How many souls became the replacement for Shou’s one, it is impossible to say, but it’s chilling to think it may have been as many as millions (as some fans have claimed). If Shou was unaware of his mark, then it’s likely that he never made the connection between himself and the fact that so many others had to be killed.

    Still, that makes for some interesting thinking, in meta analysis and fanfic: how Shou would have felt, knowing the choice rested between either his one death, or the death of so, so many others - and the latter ended up being the case.

    TL;DR - the countless civilian ‘deaths’ during Haou’s ‘reign’ in Dark World were due to one person’s absence. Shou himself may or may not have been aware of his position as a lynchpin, but it’s frightening to think what would have been going through his mind if he did know.

    • 6 years ago
    • 98 notes
    • #ay
    • #i agree late-S3!Shou was so interesting
    • #i think the doubt rune did have an effect on him
    • #i feel it did make him question Judai more than he probably would have otherwise
    • #but yeah
    • #that would have probably hurt for him to think about
    • #GX
    • #Shou Marufuji
    • #Judai Yuki
    • #meta
  • so i've been thinking about this since our chat a few days ago, but how do you think things would have gone if jou had managed to actually seal his victory against malik's other personality before temporarily dying? i don't expect it to change much things in terms of plot, but in terms of character interactions? would ra act differently because malik technically isn't its master anymore? i want to speculate on it more myself but i haven't read the manga and only passingly remember the dub soooo.
    em-exceeds-change-zearu

    scrawlers:

    sage-nebula:

    Hmm …

    I’m not sure if Ra would act differently, because on the whole I don’t think that all of the cards really respect “masters” the way, say, wands do in Harry Potter. People can trade cards without it causing an issue, after all, and there are certain spell cards which allow you to take control of your opponent’s monsters. If a monster would refuse to obey because someone other than their owner was controlling them, I think we’d see a lot more conflict in the midst of duels throughout the series, even though (admittedly) that problem doesn’t arise too often.

    Rather, I think it’s less that every card respects their own individual master, and more that certain people have certain “soul cards” that call out to them, that they have a special connection with that goes far beyond the norm. This is most notable with Kaiba and the Blue-Eyes White Dragon (because of Kisara), and Atem with the Dark Magician (because of Mahaad). However, I think another notable instance of this is with Jounouchi and the Red-Eyes Black Dragon. While we’re never told what the deal behind their connection is, there are two very memorable instances of Jounouchi having a connection with Red-Eyes that runs far deeper than the norm. The first is at the end of the pier duel, when Jounouchi calls out to Red-Eyes and Red-Eyes’s reaction to his voice is specifically called attention to:

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    I used the official color version of the manga to make it easier to see, but when Jounouchi calls out to Red-Eyes to attack him and bring his life points to zero at the end of the pier duel (so that he can get access to Yuugi’s key), Red-Eyes’ eyes snap open, there’s a little sound effect to show the power with which this happens, and there are actual lines drawn all around her eye so that you can see that she is now awake and alert. She follows his command, too, despite the fact that:

    1. She was in Yuugi’s control and possession before, during, and after the duel

    2. She was severely weakened during the duel and had hardly any attack points left (hence why she was collapsed on the pier)

    3. The duel is over

    Red-Eyes had no reason to listen to Jounouchi there, and by all accounts shouldn’t have, but she did. And not only did she listen to him, but special attention is drawn to her coming awake and alive at the sound of him calling out to her. It’s a pretty significant moment, especially since it allows Jounouchi to save Yuugi’s life.

    The second instance would take too many panels to show, but it’s during Atem’s duel against Kaiba in the Battle City finals. Atem plays the Red-Eyes Black Dragon (which wins him the duel), and it’s commented on several times that Red-Eyes is Jounouchi’s “soul card,” hence why Atem has so much faith in Red-Eyes’ ability to help him win. And that’s fine, but Jounouchi comes back to life when Red-Eyes is played. Or, well, more specifically, he comes back to life after Red-Eyes destroys a Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Here, it’s too beautiful to not share:

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    In the same chapter that Atem plays the Red-Eyes Black Dragon (and hallucinates Jounouchi’s spirit? Is visited by Jounouchi’s spirit??? It’s unclear) and uses Red-Eyes to take down one of Kaiba’s Blue-Eyes White Dragons, Jounouchi is revived. On the one hand, I find the idea that “Red-Eyes defeated Blue-Eyes, maybe life is still worth living after all” to be fucking hilarious (particularly since Kaiba blames Jounouchi at least partially for his loss to Atem, thinking, “he should have stayed dead!” after the match is over), but on the other hand, particularly with all of the talk of Red-Eyes being Jounouchi’s “soul card” in that duel, I feel it points to a deeper connection. My own feelings on Jounouchi’s determination to survive aside, I don’t think it was intended to be mere ~*~coincidence~*~ that he wills himself back to life in the same chapter that Red-Eyes is summoned. I think that we were really meant to see a connection between Jounouchi and the Red-Eyes Black Dragon, that she’s his dragon just as much as Blue-Eyes is Kaiba’s and the Dark Magician is tied to Atem.

    Of course, that subplot is dropped entirely after this, and is never touched upon again. We never get a reason for these little moments of connection, so. :/ It’s just something we’re left to speculate about. I’ve tied it into my YGO/LoZ crossover blend, but as far as canon goes, we’re just left with loose ends and nothing to tie them. Ho hum. But to get back to the original point of discussion, which was the Sun Dragon Ra …

    I’m not entirely sure if, despite having been won by Jounouchi, the Sun Dragon Ra would necessarily recognize that in a way that would cause it to rebel against Malik. It’s a possibility, but I don’t think we’re given any hard evidence of the God Cards necessarily having to accept a duelist as their master before they’ll obey them. In Rishid’s duel against Jounouchi, although he and Malik talk about Rishid needing to prove himself as a true member of the tombkeepers (and Rishid having doubts because he doesn’t have tombkeeper blood), the issue was also that the Sun Dragon Ra he was using was a counterfeit. (At least, I just checked my raws, and while I haven’t re-read through the entire duel, the word “copy” “swap” “fake” et cetera is thrown around in conversation between them, so that does seem to be the case.) It wasn’t so much that he wasn’t Ra’s rightful owner as it is that he was using a counterfeit card, thus he was struck down by Ra’s lightning. (Then again, I’d have to re-read, but it’s possible they had him use a counterfeit because he’s not the true owner of the card, though I somehow doubt that has anything to do with Ra not necessarily listening to him.) So even then, we can’t really use Jounouchi’s duel against Rishid to say with certainty that Ra would have stopped obeying Malik just because Jounouchi won it. It’s possible, and it could make for interesting fic fodder, but I’m not sure it’s certain.

    What I do think would have happened is that Malik would have been forced to surrender the Sun Dragon Ra to Jounouchi, and would have been ousted from the tournament. Of course, there would have been quite a bit of outrage, and it’s highly possible that Malik would have tried to fight given that Jounouchi died, and what use does a dead man have for cards? But Mokuba took the rules of the tournament seriously (and likes the friend squad, Jounouchi included, besides), so I could see him insisting that he hands over Ra. Then again, it’s possible that Kaiba wouldn’t allow this. Kaiba still had it in his head that he was going to defeat Atem, and then would go on to defeat Malik, thus making him the owner of all three God Cards. It could be that he would override Mokuba’s decision to make Malik hand over the card, citing Jounouchi’s death as a reason for why Malik could a.) keep Ra, and b.) stay in the tournament. So even though Ra should have been Jounouchi’s, I could see Kaiba saying “fuck that noise” so that he could have a shot at getting his hands on all three God Cards.

    With that said, Jounouchi comes back to life, and at that point I could see Mokuba insisting that Malik hand over Ra and Jounouchi take his place in the tournament, because he lost. I’m not entirely sure if losing to Jounouchi would have helped Malik with his issues or not—somehow I feel like, plot-wise, it had to be Atem (and damn that plot armor for saving him so much, because tbh he should have lost against Mai in Duelist Kingdom), but in any case, even with Kaiba tantruming because he was upset that he lost (again), I could see Mokuba not only stopping Kaiba from blowing up the duel tower (as he does in canon), but also putting his foot down and insisting the rules be followed and Ra be handed over to Jounouchi, so that Jounouchi and Atem could duel. And that would be a rather interesting turn of events.

    (Though again, it’s also interesting to think that Ra might rebel against Malik, if it did recognize Jounouchi as its true master. Like I said, it’s a definite possibility, I’m just not sure if it would be a canonical certainty.)

    but like. i can’t remember why kaiba just dislikes him, #it’s probably because jou just keeps nosing in on everything, #he’s the one who insisted on coming with yugi to death t, #he keeps getting up in kaiba’s face. every. single time. there’s an encounter, #i’m pretty sure even before death t jou was still really snippy with kaiba, #(for good reason too iirc it was right after mokuba fuCKING POISOINED HIM), #THESE KAIBA BROTHERS MAN, (via em-exceeds-change-zearu)

    Actually, no! Kaiba hates Jounouchi long before Jounouchi even remotely does anything to warrant such contempt. Here’s their very first meeting in the manga:

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    It can be a little hard to tell because of how the speech bubble is angled and how close Yuugi and Jounouchi are standing next to each other, but that is Jounouchi saying that Kaiba can play Duel Monsters with him and Yuugi, a friendly smile on his face. We can tell because Kaiba is addressed as simply “Kaiba,” whereas Yuugi calls Kaiba “Kaiba-kun” (and does so even in the panel before this one). So in their very first real conversation, Jounouchi suggests that Kaiba play Duel Monsters with him and Yuugi since he’s excited to learn that Kaiba plays it too …

    … and Kaiba … asks to see Jounouchi’s deck, as if he’s actually interested … and then throws the cards on the ground, mocks Jounouchi for not having better ones, and then says that Jounouchi’s not good enough to play with him. Jounouchi is, understandably, quite aggravated by this, even as Yuugi tries to console him by saying that the two of them can still play. (And I mean, Kaiba probably isn’t aware of this, but Jounouchi comes from an impoverished background; it’s not like he can afford to stack his deck with super powerful cards like Kaiba can.) In their very first interaction, Jounouchi was friendly and tried to invite Kaiba to play with him and Yuugi, only for Kaiba to be a complete dick to him for no reason. And it continues the next day at school, too!

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    Jounouchi playing Duel Monsters with Yuugi has nothing to do with Kaiba. It shouldn’t matter how good or bad Jounouchi is at Duel Monsters, particularly since Kaiba already made it clear that he has no interest in playing with Jounouchi. Yet, although this has nothing to do with him and Jounouchi has not even acknowledged him in this scene, Kaiba still makes it a point to think about how weak Jounouchi is, and how he’s ~*~so much better~*~ by comparison. And I mean, yeah, Kaiba, at this point you are. Jounouchi was literally just introduced to this game yesterday. You’ve been playing for a long time and have won national tournaments. I would hope you’re better than a literal beginner, ffs.

    Anyway, the two don’t interact again until Death-T, though Jounouchi is interested in beating Kaiba’s scores at the local arcade (although, notably, he doesn’t realize they’re Kaiba’s scores at first):

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    It’s not anything personal; Jounouchi just wants to claim the top score on at least one of the cabinets in the arcade so that he can have some prestige as one of the best gamers in Japan. Some bratty kids inform them that it’s Kaiba’s record in the next panel (and jeer at Jounouchi for thinking that he can break the record), but even then, Jounouchi doesn’t show any added animosity toward Kaiba; instead, he eagerly says to Yuugi that they should play some of the games. (And even though he does poorly at the racing game, when Yuugi starts kicking ass at one of the fighting games, Jounouchi’s just happy Yuugi’s doing well. They’re so supportive of each other, it’s so great.)

    So after that, their first interaction is at the start of Death-T. It should be noted that Jounouchi was invited when Kaiba’s driver first went to pick up Yuugi:

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    He wasn’t invited by name, no, but it isn’t as if the driver tried to only pick up Yuugi, and then Jounouchi forced his way in. He specifically asked for “Mutou Yuugi and a friend,” at which point Jounouchi went along. I’m not exactly sure what the driver would have done had Yuugi been alone, but either way, Jounouchi was invited along to Death-T (or at least to the Kaiba mansion). He didn’t force his way along.

    Anyway, as stated, their next interaction after their rather poor first meeting is at the start of Death-T, and yeah, Jounouchi’s not happy. He’s not happy because of the poisoning, but he’s also bristling because they had to stay the night at the Kaiba mansion:

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    (Pausing a second here to say that the fact that Jounouchi feels like he owes Kaiba since he stayed at the mansion likely has a lot to do with the fact that Jounouchi comes from an impoverished background + has a sense of pride, and thus doesn’t enjoy the feeling of getting handouts / wants to earn what he has. Because of this, even though Jounouchi was poisoned by Mokuba and the employees didn’t want to let Yuugi or Jounouchi leave the mansion anyway (as Yuugi uncomfortably notes a panel or so later), Jounouchi still feels like he’s in debt to Kaiba right here for letting him stay the night. Additionally, when Yuugi makes that remark about his grandpa being worried, Jounouchi immediately changes the subject to ask Yuugi about the “ceremony” they were both invited to. To me, it really feels like he was changing the subject so fast because he doesn’t have anyone who would be worried about him. His mother and sister are in a different city, and his dad is an abusive alcoholic. Yuugi’s mother and grandpa might be worried that he was out all night, but Jounouchi’s dad? Nope. But he doesn’t want to talk about that, so he changes the subject. Baby. ;_; )

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    Jounouchi’s not being friendly here, no, but:

    1. Their first meeting had his friendliness thrown in his face (literally, in the form of his cards), and they haven’t had positive interactions since then (or any, really, since Yuugi says Kaiba hasn’t been at school lately);

    2. They were “invited,” sure, but it was really more like a “summons”;

    3. Mokuba tried to murder them;

    4. They spent the night, which makes Jounouchi feel uncomfortable for reasons already explained;

    5. Kaiba acts as if they’re old pals, completely disregarding the fact that they haven’t gotten along in the past (he’s also being fake af, of course, and Jounouchi’s sharp—he can tell);

    6. Kaiba disregards Mokuba’s attempted murder, calling him a “cheeky kid” and belittling Jounouchi for being “anxious over a child’s game”

    So while Jounouchi is definitely not eager to see Kaiba, I feel that his reasons are pretty understandable, considering Kaiba hasn’t really done anything to earn any friendliness, considering how he acted the first time Jounouchi was friendly with him. But even so, although Kaiba hasn’t done anything to deserve it, prior to arriving at the Duel Monsters arena, Jounouchi starts to revise his opinion:

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    He’s still wary, as further panels show, but he’s considering that maybe Kaiba isn’t as bad as he initially thought. Jounouchi can hold a grudge, definitely, but his opinion isn’t set in stone just yet. Kaiba could change his mind—they could still potentially be friends, if Kaiba’s a decent person.

    Problem is, he’s not. Because Kaiba lets them play on Kaiba Land rides for a bit, but then he brings them to the Duel Monsters arena, promising a “special surprise” for Yuugi (which, of course, is Kaiba beating Sugoroku at Duel Monsters and then giving him a heart attack with the virtual reality Sensation of Death Penalty Game). Now, after Kaiba tells Yuugi that he has to agree to Death-T, Jounouchi does say that he’s going, too. However, not only does Kaiba not appear upset by this:

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    But he’s not the only one who volunteers:

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    Anzu also volunteers, and what’s more, she was actually hired by KaibaCorp to manage Death-T 1 (not that she knew it was a game of death at first, of course). So she not only joins the party, but she quits her job—the job Kaiba was paying her to do!—to do it. And he’s still not mad. He doesn’t care. So I really don’t think that his disparagement of Jounouchi stems from Jounouchi coming along for Death-T, especially since a.) Jounouchi was invited in the first place, and b.) he doesn’t show nearly the same amount of vitriol toward Honda and Anzu …

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    He doesn’t assign a chess piece to Anzu, and so to be fair, we can’t say specifically what he thinks of her. However, this little scene is telling. While some might think that Kaiba assigning the knight to Jounouchi means that he recognizes Jounouchi’s importance to Yuugi, those who play chess know that each individual piece has its own point value (save for the king, whose point value is infinite due to the fact that the game is lost if the king is taken). Rooks are worth five points. Knights are worth three. The only piece worth less than a knight is a pawn. Therefore, Jounouchi is worth so little in Kaiba’s eyes that Kaiba has deemed him the least important “piece” on Yuugi’s side of the chessboard. (Well, again, to be fair, we don’t know what he thinks of Anzu—but then, he specifically takes the time to say how little he thinks of Jounouchi by calling him the knight, goddamn.) If it was really Jounouchi deciding to go along for Death-T that did it, then Kaiba should have thought just as little of Honda—but he doesn’t. He considers Honda to be more valuable than Jounouchi. He doesn’t really know either of them, but he doesn’t have to in order to know that he just does not like Jounouchi, not even a little.

    So yeah, Jounouchi really did nothing to warrant Kaiba’s vitriol against him. The biggest “crime” he committed was being a beginner Duel Monsters player, not having expensive cards, and asking Kaiba if he wanted to play. That’s it, and I think you’ll agree it’s really not justification for Kaiba to hate him as much as he does. Even if you wanted to say that he’s aggravated by Jounouchi getting in his face later (over justifiable reasons, tbh! Death-T was a big deal, and Kaiba belittling him for bringing it up doesn’t help matters!), the fact remains that Kaiba hated Jounouchi long before that. He has never seen value in Jounouchi as a person, and even when Jounouchi has done literally nothing to him, he still takes the time to disparage Jounouchi in his mind. Jounouchi’s mere existence seems to bother Kaiba just that much. You really can’t blame Jounouchi for reciprocating the hate in kind, especially when he was willing to change his opinion, only for Kaiba to prove him right by being a massive dick (to say the least). When it comes to the enmity between them, it’s definitely mutual, but it’s also just as definite that Kaiba was the one who started it, as well as the one who cemented it, absolutely and without question.

    • 6 years ago
    • 106 notes
    • #i've gotten Jou's hate on him because Death-T
    • #but i needed this context for both relationships
    • #THERE'S NO GOOD REASON wow kaiba
    • #ygo
    • #DM
    • #meta
  • yasuda-yoshiya:

    Looking back at this scene, it’s kind of really striking how Johan is so genuinely angry and frustrated at Judai’s hesitation here? Johan’s approach to Judai is really interesting in that way, since…well, it’s obviously the case that Johan is very invested in Judai, and puts a lot more effort into figuring him out and trying to understand him than his other friends ever have - but because of that, it feels like there’s also a sense that Johan is actually really disappointed in Judai at times, like he expects better from him than this.

    And I really sort of love the way that Johan reacts to things like this, because…well, I think it says a lot about Johan himself, and the fundamental difference between him and Judai which he hasn’t really fully taken on board. If Johan was in this position, Cobra’s words wouldn’t phase him at all. “Uh, I’m not carrying any burden beyond the outcome of the game? Are you serious? How about protecting the school, and saving my friends who are counting on me, and being worthy of the spirits that chose me?”, etc, etc; Cobra’s accusation would be something he’d be able to laugh off in bewilderment and not even give a second thought. So it’s honestly sort of almost incomprehensible to him that Judai can’t do that, which is why we get this strong reaction; Johan just can’t understand how someone could possibly be in a situation where so much is obviously depending on them and not automatically feel the full weight of that responsibility, and be determined and motivated to live up to it.

    And honestly, I think that’s one of the biggest things that makes their  relationship unsustainable in the long term without Yubel’s intervention; it’s not just that Judai is excessively dependent on Johan, but also that Johan isn’t really able to understand why Judai needs him to point out these things that should be ‘obvious’? The things about Johan that Judai finds so amazing and awe-inspiring are things that come so naturally to him that Johan wouldn’t really even think about them himself, so he’s not really capable of fully registering how hard they are for Judai - or how much it really means to Judai when Johan sort of exasperatedly puts forth that, well duh, of course Judai can do the same things he can.

    While I definitely don’t blame Johan for that at all, it also makes it very easy for me to see why Johan’s attitude broke Judai so much, because…from Judai’s point of view, that kind of casual expectation on Johan’s part that Judai is essentially “like him” is a real burden. Rather than feeling like an achievement when Judai is able to make progress in terms of being a responsible and mature person, it’s more like he’s expected to be that way right away, and his falling short of that standard consistently elicits Johan’s obvious disappointment and frustration. The fact that Johan is so vocal most of the time about how much he believes in Judai and trusts him to do the right thing - how obvious it is that he regards Judai as a “good person” like him - makes it hurt all the more that he knows he really isn’t, and therefore fuels his desperation to try and emulate Johan as much as possible so that he can live up to Johan’s belief in him. At least by my reading, Judai’s main drive in the third season isn’t so much a desire to improve himself and become a better person, as I expected when I went into it - rather, it’s the need to escape from his fear. Fear of the possibility that he isn’t a good person, fear that Johan was wrong about him, fear that he won’t be able to live up to Johan’s faith in him - and that’s what ends up tearing him apart and crushing his whole sense of self-worth when he’s finally forced to accept that his fears were entirely justified, that he really is unable to be the person Johan thought he was.

    I think GX touches on something really powerful there, in how it dares to really examine the implications of that common feelgood shounen sentiment of “I believe in you!” and “I know you can do it!”, and acknowledging how much of an emotional burden that can put on the person on the receiving end of it. Of course, it’s also definitely the case that that kind of encouragement can be genuinely supportive and inspiring - as Johan no doubt means it to be! - but GX’s willingness to seriously explore the other side of that, and the implicit expectation and pressure that it places on the other person, is something that I really have to admire a lot.

    • 8 years ago
    • 249 notes
    • #i love all this
    • #GX
    • #Judai Yuki
    • #Johan Andersen
    • #meta
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